let's play a sound from him in july 2007. play the sound bite, i will get your reaction. >> give us 1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking taxes for tax rates but could be accomplished by eliminating loopholes and eliminating some deductions, and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lowered rates while broadening the base. david: without hiking tax rates. a couple months later he came out with his 2012 budget in which he said the tax system should be simplified. it worked for all americans with lower individual and corporate tax rates and fewer brackets. what changed his mind? >> he came out after the election saying he wanted 1.6 trillion in tax hikes, and his election kind of made him go for something figure. even though that meant he couldn't get an agreement. my personal view he does not want an agreement with republicans, he wants us to go over the fiscal cliff because republicans will get flamed and we will have a different scenario with the lowest rate not being 10%,